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I was with a department most of the day training they had a XD for testing and evaluation. The had already figure out you need to have the grip safety depresed to rack the slide to the rear.

They also figured out how to lock the gun up so it won't fire and can't be racked. All you need to do is load the gun and rack it forward with the grip safety about half way depressed. The gun will load the round, and not fire. You also can not rack it to the rear. The "loaded" gun had to be sent back to the factory so the take down lever could be drilled out.

They then got another one. I asked if I could do it. The Chief said yes because they were ready to ship it back. It took me three times to do it just right. I locked that gun up good! I banged on the slide with a hammer and everything. No luck, it's now boxed with a note AGAIN!

When you load the XD make sure the grip safety is FULLY ENGAGED!

If you don't, shipped it loaded back to the factory. It happens on all calibers, on all models. I called the LEO rep, they are aware of the problem with no fix. They will be adding to the instruction book that the grip safety must be engaged FULLY when loading the gun.

I've been IMing Sushi this evening about it. He will allow me to demo this on his gun on the next range day. THANKS SUSH!!!!

It is the least I could do. Especially after Greg offered the anniversary version Glock 17 number 1 as a replacement.

Gaston is keeping Slide number 1 and 17. I do have number 117.
That is not for sale. I just sold #187 for 2,000.00

You can have number 5150.

Interesting.

ccwinstructor wrote:

That is not for sale. I just sold #187 for 2,000.00

THAT'S GREAT!

I want Bersa #8765.

Guns And Sushi wrote:

I want Bersa #8765.

I don't own one of those, if I did, I would have given it to you by now....

choochboost wrote:

Interesting.

I tried to take it apart for 45 minutes. I wanted to drill it myself to pull the slide off and see what the problem was. The Chief wouldn't let unless I was willing to pay for it. I wasn't.

It's even more interesting considering this is not exactly a new gun (HS2000).

I'm not sure how long they have known about the problem. I will find out more next week.

Intersting. First I discover the need to engage the grip safety to rack, and now if not done right, nothing. And no known fix for the issue.

I have to wonder if it has something to do with the relative position between the sear and grip safety disconnector.

If you let the slide go forward with the grip safety partially depressed, could it bend the sear forward and lock the pistol in position?

Pics and text here: http://www.gunsandammomag.com/techside/xd_010305/

There is a quick fix for this problem.......Glock.

Ccwi wrote:

He will allow me to demo this on his gun on the next range day. THANKS SUSH!!!!

Well, at least let him shoot it first -- it's a range day after all.

45 ACP wrote:

I have to wonder if it has something to do with the relative position between the sear and grip safety disconnector.

If you let the slide go forward with the grip safety partially depressed, could it bend the sear forward and lock the pistol in position?

Pics and text here: http://www.gunsandammomag.com/techside/xd_010305/

Thanks 45. Nice cutaway picture.

???

I just don't see (mechanically) how that could happen...

I have an XD, but I'm not even sure I could rack the slide while holding the grip in such a way that the safety is only partially depressed... Obscure issue. Suprised to hear it considering this gun is not new...

45 ACP wrote:

I have to wonder if it has something to do with the relative position between the sear and grip safety disconnector.

If you let the slide go forward with the grip safety partially depressed, could it bend the sear forward and lock the pistol in position?

Pics and text here: http://www.gunsandammomag.com/techside/xd_010305/

That is what I was thinking. Because the Chief wouldn't let me drill it out. I can't be 100% sure

bishop wrote:

???

I just don't see (mechanically) how that could happen...

I have an XD, but I'm not even sure I could rack the slide while holding the grip in such a way that the safety is only partially depressed... Obscure issue. Suprised to hear it considering this gun is not new...

If the slide is forward depress the grip safety, sling shot the slide and let it go forward. Be careful!

Nice story but.....
The grip safety is already depressed to rack it forward.
"Hitting the slide and everything with a hammer", that's no way of fixing a gun.
Are you saying the grip safety is wedged against the sear? If that is the case just remove the grip safety.
Now if the grip safety is not wedged and will move, the slide will also be able to move if you depress the grip safety.
What's the LE reps name that told you there is a problem?
Who was it that said to send a loaded gun back to SA?
Maybe your description of the problem needs to be explained more in detail to make me believe it. After working with this gun for the last 4 years I've seen just about everything imaginable that somebody can do to it. This would be a first and impossible to do the way you have described it.

Rich

First and foremost I am a firearms trainer, not a gunsmith. If I knew how they all worked inside I would be a gunsmith I am not.

They did it once, I was able to duplicate it. We use a wood dowl and a brass hammer to try and get the slide to the rear. When you have a buldge round this is what free's most slides.

I have no idea if if the sear was engaged against the sear. The grip safety would not move. None of us thought about removing the safety. (We are not gunsmiths and that makes sense!) I just left the training sargent a message, asking to hold the box going back to the factory. I want to see if the grip safety pin can be removed. A e-mail has been sent to the springfield rep asking for a detail explaination of the problem. I will post his reply.

I can't tell you how many guns have been shipped to factories loaded. I know of several Sigs, Glocks HK's etc that have been shipped in this condition from Law Enforcement..