California CCW - concealed carry forum

Glock22Fan wrote:

Admin wrote:

. . . Take the NRA certified instructor course. . . .

Does anyone know what's involved?

Yes, I just took the Pistol Instructor's course the last weekend with BIll Tidwell. Great class. He's one of the NRA training counselors (instructors that teach new instructors) in this area. Check out www.train2besafe.com.

Bill doesn't actually certifiy you, he teaches the class (2 days, 10hr+ each day) and administers the tests, then you send your application to the NRA and they issue the certification.

PM me if you need more info.

Furry Rabbit,
The SJPD will ask you to come in and pick up a CCW app at the Permits front desk if you can get the right person to speak with you. My last contact was Lt. Fowler at 408-277-4475. This was in 2003 so the name has probably changed but perhaps not the number.

He was kind enough to tell me to come in and pick up the app but unless I could clearly articulate my need that one was unlikely to be issued.

The app is the one that Jim March has on his page, so I'd suggest downloading his, filling it out and submitting it via certified mail to the current name.

SJ has issued to LCAction folks who transport firearms I've heard so if you're a firearms instructor, NRA, etc. then perhaps that would be good cause.

Tom

Anybody on the forum going to the GS2AC meeting tonight?? I am planning to attend.

Dieter3 wrote:

Anybody on the forum going to the GS2AC meeting tonight?? I am planning to attend.

I am thinking of going. Don Kilmer is the speaker. I believe he is a lawyer and somewhere I read about him saying suing sheriff and chief in the county would be tough and too much work. Dont know what that meant.

ok folks, Ive read about 25 pages in the last several hours. Im sure this has come up, but can't find it. It seems to me this whole cause is missing the point somewhere. I agree that a CCW permit and therefor the assumed carry would make me feel safer,..but what happens next? The authorized firearm carry would logically lead to the eventual perceived need and possible use of the firearm....No? That split second changes, and sometimes ends lives. Does the pursuit of this permit really prepare tha average citizen for the eventual consequences of this action? Have you , yourself ever drawn a weapon on someone? Ever been shot at ? This aint no squirrel we are looking at thru sights. Are we ready and able to accept the family memebers reaction, and impact if return fire misses us?
I will never be heard to say this isnt a worthy cause, but the end result needs to be as carefully organized and as completely understood as the process to get there. Are there legel reps who will save your house, and savings when you respond with this rarest of public recourses? The idle banter link is great, the whole site has huge amounts of useful information on it, but I need to get some feedback on what happens at the logical conclusion of this process....there is only ONE reason to need a permit... are we ready for this?

Hi Duckwax,

First, welcome to the forum.

Second, we do try to maintain high standards of post etiquette here. I hate to sound like a school teacher, but please do be careful about capitalization and formatting. Yes things are quite informal in the Idle Banter forum, but everywhere else, we try to keep a serious tone.

And why do we do this? Because, exactly as you say, carrying a gun is a serious matter. Carrying it, without ever drawing it or using it, requires serious thought, maturity, training, and study of use-of-force ethics in a classroom setting. And if the gun ever gets used, many possibilities branch out, all of them bad. Our only hope at that point is that we end up with the least-bad option. That normally means tens of thousands of dollars of legal fees even in the case of a perfectly justified shooting.

I don't have any figures but I would assume that 99% of the people with CCWs (other than LEOs perhaps) never draw their weapons in their entire lives (outside of training). Carrying a gun does NOT mean that gun will ever be drawn.

I think of a gun like a motorcycle helmet. You hope you never ever have to use it, but you don't want to go without it either. The difference is that most motorcylists do have spills at some point in their riding; most gun owners never use a gun in a hostile situation.

Again, welcome to the forum, and we hope you will join us in improving CCW in California.

And to be specific:

The authorized firearm carry would logically lead to the eventual perceived need and possible use of the firearm....No?

No! The ONLY thing that leads to the need and use of a firearm is a reasonable fear of immediate great bodily injury, in a case where such injury could only be prevented by the use of lethal force. (Note that having or not having a firearm doesn't come up at all in this question!) All the terms in that sentence are actually technical terms with a precise legal meaning. I won't explain them in detail here. Why not? Because you really need to learn them in a formal classroom setting. You need to take a defensive firearms class in your area, one with at least several hours of classroom time dedicated to use of force ethics. That class will cover in detail the meaning of my sentence at the beginning of this paragraph.

The mandated outlines throughout the state touch on it at best. Being involved and defending your life or the life of a love one is easier than the aftermath.

Lt. Col. Dave Grossman (ret.) has a great 8 hour lecture on this subject. www.killogly.com

Thank you for the welcome, and the coaching on my posting duties. I will try not to disappoint you. I have been a licensed, reasonably trained and practiced hunter for some years. I use extreme caution with, and around all firearms. I am a NRA member. I register to vote, and have everyone in my household also registered to vote. I hope to remain a (fat, rich, spoiled) American as long as possible. I say that last (sentence) in jest, but with a wink at the consumerism of current American society. I realize there are millions of people on this earth who will never live as we do. I want our government to protect our Borders, Language, and Freedoms as promised in our Constitution. I beleive in the power of the Freedom to publicly express differing veiws peacefully, and in the legal process that offers all equal chance at justice. I thank you for allowing me to be a guest on your site.

Here is the link to CCWI's reference. http://www.killology.com/

ccwinstructor wrote:

The mandated outlines throughout the state touch on it at best. Being involved and defending your life or the life of a love one is easier than the aftermath.

Lt. Col. Dave Grossman (ret.) has a great 8 hour lecture on this subject. www.killogly.com

Python2 wrote:

Lonnie Wilson wrote:

I think Gilroy is being naughty. the head of the records division states that the application must be filed with his division, but that "Good cause" is up to the Chief of Police and "his own policies". How much you wanna bet that he doesn't have his policies posted?

Ok, so what now?

Wow!!!!, sounds like my case. Sheriff advised applicant to go to PC to start the process, if PC approves, forward file to Sheriff for further processing and final approval. Web check of my PC did not show Policy but that doesnt mean he doesnt have one. I suspect between Sheriff and PC, they have an MOU.

what ever happened with this? i know this post is 2 years old, but did the gilroy application ever get responded to?