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				<description><![CDATA[ I was with a department most of the day training they had a XD for testing and evaluation. The had already figure out you need to have the grip safety depresed to rack the slide to the rear.

They also figured out how to lock the gun up so it won't fire and can't be racked. All you need to do is load the gun and rack it forward with the grip safety about half way depressed. The gun will load the round, and not fire. You also can not rack it to the rear. The "loaded" gun had to be sent back to the factory so the take down lever could be drilled out.

They then  got another one. I asked if I could do it. The Chief said yes because they were ready to ship it back. It took me three times to do it just right. I locked that gun up good! I banged on the slide with a hammer and everything. No luck, it's now boxed with a note AGAIN!

When you load the XD make sure the grip safety is FULLY ENGAGED!

If you don't, shipped it loaded back to the factory. It happens on all calibers, on all models. I called the LEO rep, they are aware of the problem with no fix. They will be adding to the instruction book that the grip safety must be engaged FULLY when loading the gun.

I've been IMing Sushi this evening about it. He will allow me  to demo this on his gun on the next range day. THANKS SUSH!!!!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It is the least I could do. Especially after Greg offered the anniversary version Glock 17 number 1 as a replacement.
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				<description><![CDATA[ Gaston is keeping Slide number 1 and 17. I do have number 117. 
That is not for sale. I just sold #187 for 2,000.00  :mrgreen: 

You can have number 5150.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Interesting.]]></description>
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		<cite>ccwinstructor wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>That is not for sale. I just sold #187 for 2,000.00  :mrgreen: &nbsp;
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THAT'S GREAT!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I want Bersa #8765.]]></description>
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		<cite>Guns And Sushi wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>I want Bersa #8765.&nbsp;
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I don't own one of those, if I did, I would have given it to you by now....]]></description>
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		<cite>choochboost wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>Interesting.&nbsp;
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I tried to take it apart for 45 minutes. I wanted to drill it myself to pull the slide off and see what the problem was. The Chief wouldn't let unless I was willing to pay for it. I wasn't.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It's even more interesting considering this is not exactly a new gun (HS2000).]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'm not sure how long they have known about the problem. I will find out more next week.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Intersting. First I discover the need to engage the grip safety to rack, and now if not done right, nothing. And no known fix for the issue.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I have to wonder if it has something to do with the relative position between the sear and grip safety disconnector.

If you let the slide go forward with the grip safety partially depressed, could it bend the sear forward and lock the pistol in position?

Pics and text here:  <a href='http://www.gunsandammomag.com/techside/xd_010305/' target='_new' rel="nofollow">http://www.gunsandammomag.com/techside/xd_010305/</a>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ 
There is a quick fix for this problem.......Glock.]]></description>
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		<cite>Ccwi wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>He will allow me to demo this on his gun on the next range day. THANKS SUSH!!!!&nbsp;
		</blockquote>Well, at least let him shoot it first -- it's a range day after all. :D]]></description>
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		<cite>45 ACP wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>I have to wonder if it has something to do with the relative position between the sear and grip safety disconnector.

If you let the slide go forward with the grip safety partially depressed, could it bend the sear forward and lock the pistol in position?

Pics and text here:  <a href='http://www.gunsandammomag.com/techside/xd_010305/' target='_new' rel="nofollow">http://www.gunsandammomag.com/techside/xd_010305/</a>&nbsp;
		</blockquote>Thanks 45.  Nice cutaway picture.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ ???

I just don't see (mechanically) how that could happen...

I have an XD, but I'm not even sure I could rack the slide while holding the grip in such a way that the safety is only partially depressed... Obscure issue. Suprised to hear it considering this gun is not new...]]></description>
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		<cite>45 ACP wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>I have to wonder if it has something to do with the relative position between the sear and grip safety disconnector.

If you let the slide go forward with the grip safety partially depressed, could it bend the sear forward and lock the pistol in position?

Pics and text here:  <a href='http://www.gunsandammomag.com/techside/xd_010305/' target='_new' rel="nofollow">http://www.gunsandammomag.com/techside/xd_010305/</a>&nbsp;
		</blockquote>

That is what I was thinking. Because the Chief wouldn't let me drill it out. I can't be 100% sure]]></description>
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		<cite>bishop wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>???

I just don't see (mechanically) how that could happen...

I have an XD, but I'm not even sure I could rack the slide while holding the grip in such a way that the safety is only partially depressed... Obscure issue. Suprised to hear it considering this gun is not new...&nbsp;
		</blockquote>

If the slide is forward depress the grip safety, sling shot the slide and let it go forward. Be careful!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Nice story but.....
The grip safety is already depressed to rack it forward.
 "Hitting the slide and everything with a hammer",  that's  no way of fixing a gun.
 Are you saying the grip safety is wedged against the sear? If that is the case just remove the grip safety.
 Now if the grip safety is not wedged and will move, the slide will also be able to move if you depress the grip safety. 
What's the LE reps name that told you there is a problem?
Who was it that said to send a loaded gun back to SA?
 Maybe your description of the problem needs to be explained more in detail to make me believe it. After working with this gun for the last 4 years I've seen just about everything imaginable that somebody can do to it. This would be a first and impossible to do the way you have described it.

Rich]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ First and foremost I am a firearms trainer, not a gunsmith. If I knew how they all worked inside I would be a gunsmith I am not.

They did it once, I was able to duplicate it. We use a wood dowl and a brass hammer to try and get the slide to the rear. When you have a buldge round this is what free's most slides. 

I have no idea if if the sear was engaged against the sear. The grip safety would not move. None of us thought about removing the safety. (We are not gunsmiths and that makes sense!) I just left the training sargent a message, asking to hold the box going back to the factory. I want to see if the grip safety pin can be removed. A e-mail has been sent to the springfield rep asking for a detail explaination of the problem. I will post his reply.

I can't tell you how many guns have been shipped to factories loaded. I know of several Sigs, Glocks HK's etc that have been shipped in this condition from Law Enforcement..]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Greg, let us know the results of the return call. As you know, I am in this camp, too.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I can't wait to hear the news as well.  I got 2 XD's and while I have put quite a few rounds through it with no problems, I must say that I am somewhat worried.]]></description>
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		<cite>Rycerz wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>I can't wait to hear the news as well.  I got 2 XD's and while I have put quite a few rounds through it with no problems, I must say that I am somewhat worried.&nbsp;
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Don't be worried, as I said in my first post. Be sure the grip safety is depresed the whole time. you will never have a problem with it.]]></description>
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		<cite>ccwinstructor wrote:</cite><br>
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		<cite>Rycerz wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>I can't wait to hear the news as well.  I got 2 XD's and while I have put quite a few rounds through it with no problems, I must say that I am somewhat worried.&nbsp;
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Don't be worried, as I said in my first post. Be sure the grip safety is depresed the whole time. you will never have a problem with it.&nbsp;
		</blockquote>

I'm a firm believer in Murphy: and now that I know I got to be extra careful Murphy will step in and mess with me :D]]></description>
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		<cite>Rycerz wrote:</cite><br>
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		<cite>ccwinstructor wrote:</cite><br>
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		<cite>Rycerz wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>I can't wait to hear the news as well.  I got 2 XD's and while I have put quite a few rounds through it with no problems, I must say that I am somewhat worried.&nbsp;
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Don't be worried, as I said in my first post. Be sure the grip safety is depresed the whole time. you will never have a problem with it.&nbsp;
		</blockquote>

I'm a firm believer in Murphy: and now that I know I got to be extra careful Murphy will step in and mess with me :D&nbsp;
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It's not Murphy that I worry about... it's Mrs. Murphy.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Welcome RIIID.  Thanks for the questions.]]></description>
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		<cite>RIIID wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>After working with this gun for the last 4 years I've seen just about everything imaginable that somebody can do to it. This would be a first and impossible to do the way you have described it.

Rich&nbsp;
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Canyon Creek Rich?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I don't know why they would make it so you HAVE to depress the grip safety in order to work the slide and chamber a round... that seems a bit silly to me and looking for an issue like this to happen.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I was the one that pointed out the need to depress the grip safety to Greg (CCWI) and within a day later the other issue reared it's ugly head.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ So maybe it is just Law Enforcement types who have this problem  :wink: ]]></description>
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		<cite>Dan M. wrote:</cite><br>
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		<cite>RIIID wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>After working with this gun for the last 4 years I've seen just about everything imaginable that somebody can do to it. This would be a first and impossible to do the way you have described it.

Rich&nbsp;
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Canyon Creek Rich?&nbsp;
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If so, the very first thing I'm going to do after I get an XD for my wife is send it it to you!

<img src="http://bestsmileys.com/dancing/10.gif" border="0">
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		<cite>Knauga wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>So maybe it is just Law Enforcement types who have this problem  :wink: &nbsp;
		</blockquote>

If you ever want to find a flaw in your product design that will completely destroy/disable it, give it to a cop for an hour.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I had the same kind of effect when my work switched to new software... I was the "try to break it" guy... purty darned successful too  :mrgreen: ]]></description>
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		<cite>RIIID wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>Nice story but.....
The grip safety is already depressed to rack it forward.
&nbsp;
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Is it?  I can think of plenty of time's I've racked a slide forward without depressing the grip safety, and it involved more than just an XD.  Hand gyrations while reloading are a funny thing.

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		<cite>RIIID wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>
 "Hitting the slide and everything with a hammer",  that's  no way of fixing a gun.&nbsp;
		</blockquote>

All due respect, but I don't think the intent was to fix the gun, it was to get it apart and find out why it locked up in the first place.

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		<cite>RIIID wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>After working with this gun for the last 4 years I've seen just about everything imaginable that somebody can do to it. This would be a first and impossible to do the way you have described it.

Rich&nbsp;
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Well then, it couldn't have happened so it was all a dream.  Not only that, it was a bad dream because it happened twice to two different guns.  Problem solved!!

See my earlier post about cops finding ways to break things.

You sound like a Mfr rep.  Do you work for SA?   :roll: ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ 45 ACP, I was the one that told Greg about the XD needing the grip safety depressed to rack it. The very next day in a class with LEO, while doing this exact motion, they discovered if it is not all the way depressed throughout the cycle, well, you read the results. Very interesting, indeed. I would have liked to seen it in person.

BTW, do you use an XD? I am not sure what your department uses. I never noticed before. Next time I am inyoru town I will take better care to look.]]></description>
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		<cite>OCRancher wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>45 ACP, I was the one that told Greg about the XD needing the grip safety depressed to rack it. The very next day in a class with LEO, while doing this exact motion, they discovered if it is not all the way depressed throughout the cycle, well, you read the results. Very interesting, indeed. I would have liked to seen it in person.&nbsp;
		</blockquote>

I agree it's very disturbing.  I find it hard to fathom that no one else has found this problem, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen (the point of my last post.........)

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		<cite>OCRancher wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>
BTW, do you use an XD? I am not sure what your department uses. I never noticed before. Next time I am inyoru town I will take better care to look.&nbsp;
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No, not department approved.  For any conspiracy theorists out there, it's unrelated to this issue.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Every cop should envy what 45acp carries.
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				<description><![CDATA[ 45, I was not disagreeing with you or trying to pick apart anything you said. I was just relaying a conversation about the grip safety Greg and I had the day before. Nowhere in my manual did it mention depressing the grip safety (at all) fully to rack the slide.

Be safe, 45ACP!]]></description>
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		<cite>OCRancher wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>45, I was not disagreeing with you or trying to pick apart anything you said. I was just relaying a conversation about the grip safety Greg and I had the day before. Nowhere in my manual did it mention depressing the grip safety (at all) fully to rack the slide.

Be safe, 45ACP!&nbsp;
		</blockquote>

I know, I know.  I just get spun up when someone says, "Oh, that's just not possible.  It's never happened to ME."

Guns are mechanical devices and are subject to failures (however improbable) like anything else.]]></description>
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		<cite>Guns And Sushi wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>Every cop should envy what 45acp carries.
&nbsp;
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Oh yeah!

<img src="http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e187/mperez01/Forum%20Bombs/dirtyharry.jpg" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ See the problem with large caliber guns and revolvers is that you can tell whether or not it is loaded  :D ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I Sharpie the bullets black so you can't tell..........   :mrgreen: ]]></description>
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		<cite>45 ACP wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>I Sharpie the bullets black so you can't tell..........   :mrgreen: &nbsp;
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But then black bullets are "cop killers"... you can shoot through 100 cops with those! :roll: 

Apeman]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I have large copper jacketed hollowpoint bullets so that you CAN tell it's loaded  :mrgreen: ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The grip safety can not pulled out you will lock it up. You will damage the grip safety plus the sear and or firing pin safety. This is per the factory. I have now documented SIX being sent back loaded. They told me I didn't look that hard.

The ones being returned are from T&E and recurits (least amount) Most are being returned from ranges that rent guns. Which says people not famalier with grips safeties are the ones locking them. Back to my original post. BE CAREFUL! make sure the grip safety is FULLY depressed when you load it.

For those that think this is a "story". You must not have the contacts to find out the truth.]]></description>
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		<cite>45 ACP wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>   

You sound like a Mfr rep.  Do you work for SA?   :roll: &nbsp;
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I'm sure he isn't. IF he was, he would not have posted his cmments. You can't hide the facts.]]></description>
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		<cite>K-Dog wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>

There is a quick fix for this problem.......Glock.&nbsp;
		</blockquote>

If you are interested in the <i><b>best</b></i> sollution...Sig Sauer.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>I Sharpie the bullets black so you can't tell..........  &nbsp;
		</blockquote>

I like this guy!!!  :twisted: ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yet another reason not to buy one of them new-fangled plastic guns, those that stray from the path of John Moses Browning are flirting with dangerous issues...

"Seeing the malfunctions and the confusion of men, the lord of the underworld did see an opportunity to further ensnare man and didst bring forth pistols made of plastic, whose form was such that they looked and felt like a brick, yet the eyes of man being clouded, they were consumed by the plastic pistol and did buy vast quantities of them."

***********

Seriously, this sounds like a fatal-flaw in the current configuration of XD pistols, hope Springfield gets this figured out.  I own many fine guns made by Springfield, this is a black-eye for Springfield.
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				<description><![CDATA[ I guess it's not any worse than a 1911 that won't feed.

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		<cite>choochboost wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>I guess it's not any worse than a 1911 that won't feed.

<img src="http://bestsmileys.com/angles/14.gif" border="0">&nbsp;
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				<description><![CDATA[ Related thread on XDTalk:

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		<cite>Dan M. wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>Related thread on XDTalk:

<a href='http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27312&highlight=%22slide+lock%22' target='_new' rel="nofollow">http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27312&highlight=%22slide+lock%22</a>&nbsp;
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I know who that is on this list. He shouldn't  have listed all of his guns, it took me 5 seconds to figure him out. Wonderful! ]]></description>
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No answers though, and it's news to them.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Looks like Sam is getting some back-up.  This was just posted:

<blockquote>thanks for the tip and the information! That is why i love this and other similar forums.... otherwise, we are not prepared for the inevitiable circumstance that is bound to happen. Being a cop and LE trainer, i can definitely see the potential for this occurring in recruit academies due to the inexperience of the "rookie" cop. When some of them show up to the range, it is the first time they have ever held a pistol and they hold it like..... well..... a girl! No offense to the ladies in this forum but the majority of malfunctions are shooter induced and the female seems to usually have the weaker grip! I'm not picking on anyone, this is just a fact that I have seen! With that said I have seen some guys, who pick up a gun by "pinching" the grip between thumb and forefinger, like they are picking up a piece of paper!!! Yikes!&nbsp;
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				<description><![CDATA[ The officer that locked up the first gun was  a female officer. She was not use to a grip safety. Most gun sent back to springfield are from gun rental ranges. Once again new shooters.]]></description>
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		<cite>ccwinstructor wrote:</cite><br>
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		<cite>Dan M. wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>Related thread on XDTalk:

<a href='http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27312&highlight=%22slide+lock%22' target='_new' rel="nofollow">http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27312&highlight=%22slide+lock%22</a>&nbsp;
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I know who that is on this list. He shouldn't  have listed all of his guns, it took me 5 seconds to figure him out. Wonderful! &nbsp;
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Somebody read my post and changed their sig line. I stil know who you are!   :mrgreen: ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hi guys!

My name is Don, and I own almost too many of the HS2000 and XD pistols..well 6 for now.  I am also one of the guys on the XD forum that is trying to jam his own pistol in the fashioned reported, because I am all about fashion.  Tongue-in-cheek aside, there are several of us trying to get a jam of sorts, since that helps the knowledge base on our forum.  We have often in the past set out to create failures so that we can talk members thru the solution rather than send to the factory.  I have many times fabbed up the simpler parts to send out to members if they have lost their, and sometimes just on a whim because I was curious to see if I could do it.  I have figured out a few of the springs so that SA is not the sole source of them for repairs or replacement.  I am also the developer of many of the after market guide rods for this pistol, so while not formally a gunsmith I am pretty familiar with the operation.  Basically I like to tinker and am willing to take a chance on my pistol that I can fix what I ruin, and if not I will pay Springfield to fix it since it is a self inflicted wound rather than their failure.

So some of the info that is not clear so far:
Is the slide fully in battery?

Is there even 1/8"movement on the slide?  If so how much approximate total?  If any movement is possible you may be able to remove the striker spring and remove all tension in that area.

If you do try remove the grip safety pin and it is under some pressure it will will make your drift drop down a bit, expect to try to force it back into alignment to continue to drive out the pin.  You may need to have the frame or slide in a vice to get enough leverage. 

Is the silver colored striker cocked indicator sticking out of the black ring on the back of the slide?

Or tell me what you want me to attempt and I'll probably give it a try! :shock: ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Welcome, Don! And thanks for helping troubleshoot this issue.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Good to see you here Don, welcome!  I just talked to the author of this thread and he will be checking back in a little later on hopefully.  I'm happy to see you are objective and understand that this is not about dumping on the XD.]]></description>
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		<cite>Guns And Sushi wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>Love my XD40 4". Most accurate out-of-the-box pistol I've ever owned.&nbsp;
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So can you lend in me I need to learn how to take on of those down to the frame]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks <b>choochboost</b>!
You are on the XD forum as well so maybe you can keep us in sync if there seems so be a serious lapse in replies.  I will pay attention here as long as it seems relevent then fade away as time goes on.  But I think that I have my profile set up right that you guys can email me in the future to get info or help even if I do not haunt this forum.   :D ]]></description>
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		<cite>Don wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>Thanks <b>choochboost</b>!
You are on the XD forum as well so maybe you can keep us in sync if there seems so be a serious lapse in replies.  I will pay attention here as long as it seems relevent then fade away as time goes on.&nbsp;
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Actually, I was hoping to pass the buck to you!   :mrgreen:

I'll see what I can do, I just don't want people asking me too many questions on XD Talk since I'm not the guy who was able to duplicate what happened.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Sure thing, Tim. We can work out details after the holiday.]]></description>
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		<cite>thaves wrote:</cite><br>
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		<cite>Guns And Sushi wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>Love my XD40 4". Most accurate out-of-the-box pistol I've ever owned.&nbsp;
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So can you lend in me I need to learn how to take on of those down to the frame&nbsp;
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If that means what I think, then:
<a href='http://www.xd-hs2000.com/disassembly/disassembly.html' target='_new' rel="nofollow">http://www.xd-hs2000.com/disassembly/disassembly.html</a>
will link you to what you need.  I think that much of this was before Springfield was importing, but whether you have a HS2000 or a XD the information is the same and accurate.]]></description>
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		<cite>choochboost wrote:</cite><br>
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		<cite>Don wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>Thanks <b>choochboost</b>!
You are on the XD forum as well so maybe you can keep us in sync if there seems so be a serious lapse in replies.  I will pay attention here as long as it seems relevant then fade away as time goes on.&nbsp;
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Actually, I was hoping to pass the buck to you!   :mrgreen:

I'll see what I can do, I just don't want people asking me too many questions on XD Talk since I'm not the guy who was able to duplicate what happened.&nbsp;
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OK, I get it!  I will follow this for a time until it seems to go dead or is resolved.  Then months later if a reply is made here I will not be following up on it.  So those people people will need to email me direct to get some follow up as I will most likely not continue to follow up up here.  I am in Washington state, so California CCW will not be something I will keep up on.  I did set up my profile to email me with replies, so maybe it will work out, but if not the members should email me direct with questions if there seems to be a gap in replies.  But ultimately I would like to see a resolution here or a link to a resolution.

Damn, you guys have got me really curious now!  :D ]]></description>
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		<cite>Don wrote:</cite><br>
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		<cite>thaves wrote:</cite><br>
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		<cite>Guns And Sushi wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>Love my XD40 4". Most accurate out-of-the-box pistol I've ever owned.&nbsp;
		</blockquote>

So can you lend in me I need to learn how to take on of those down to the frame&nbsp;
		</blockquote>

If that means what I think, then:
<a href='http://www.xd-hs2000.com/disassembly/disassembly.html' target='_new' rel="nofollow">http://www.xd-hs2000.com/disassembly/disassembly.html</a>
will link you to what you need.  I think that much of this was before Springfield was importing, but whether you have a HS2000 or an XD the information is the same and accurate.&nbsp;
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This is great thanks]]></description>
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		<cite>Guns And Sushi wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>Sure thing, Tim. We can work out details after the holiday.&nbsp;
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Great . I just read the link sent by Dan and it looks easy. Famous last words]]></description>
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		<cite>Don wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>Hi guys!

My name is Don, and I own almost too many of the HS2000 and XD pistols..well 6 for now.  I am also one of the guys on the XD forum that is trying to jam his own pistol in the fashioned reported, because I am all about fashion.  Tongue-in-cheek aside, there are several of us trying to get a jam of sorts, since that helps the knowledge base on our forum.  We have often in the past set out to create failures so that we can talk members thru the solution rather than send to the factory.  I have many times fabbed up the simpler parts to send out to members if they have lost their, and sometimes just on a whim because I was curious to see if I could do it.  I have figured out a few of the springs so that SA is not the sole source of them for repairs or replacement.  I am also the developer of many of the after market guide rods for this pistol, so while not formally a gunsmith I am pretty familiar with the operation.  Basically I like to tinker and am willing to take a chance on my pistol that I can fix what I ruin, and if not I will pay Springfield to fix it since it is a self inflicted wound rather than their failure.

So some of the info that is not clear so far:
Is the slide fully in battery?

Is there even 1/8"movement on the slide?  If so how much approximate total?  If any movement is possible you may be able to remove the striker spring and remove all tension in that area.

If you do try remove the grip safety pin and it is under some pressure it will will make your drift drop down a bit, expect to try to force it back into alignment to continue to drive out the pin.  You may need to have the frame or slide in a vice to get enough leverage. 

Is the silver colored striker cocked indicator sticking out of the black ring on the back of the slide?

Or tell me what you want me to attempt and I'll probably give it a try! :shock: &nbsp;
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Don,

First, Welcome to the forum. I know you have  no need for a forum like this in Washington.

The movement was less than 1/8" you could see a little brass, just enough to know the gun was loaded. I do not remember for sure if the striker was cocked, I will call tomorrow to see if anybody knows for sure. I think it was, but I can't be 100% sure.

Because I hold a gun with a firm grip I couldn't get it to happen. When I was told it was a loose grip, I grab the gun in the right hand and used my trigger finger to press in the grip safety. I then started vary how much I press the grip safety in. At best guess I had about 1/3 pressed in when I locked it up.

Every gun I tracked (more then 10 now) had one thing in common. Either a gun rental at a range or being shot by  a new semi auto shooter. They are most likely holding  the gun to loose and allowing  the grip safety to not be fully depressed. I'm trying to "aquire" a cutaway so I can lock that one up.

Thanks for the info on your parts, I may look you up. I have a XD 45 5" that I love. It feels a lot better in my hand than a Glock. The backstrap is very close to a 1911, which is why I like it. As  a 1911 shooter it's very hard for me to hold a gun loose. Those guys that needed their grip safety's pinned to shot them could probably lock up a XD.  That was never a proper fix in my book. 

I could go into more detail but I prefer not to on  a public forum. Somebody I'm sure would try to sue me for locking up their gun.If you want to have fun, call around to the local ranges that rent guns and ask if they have locked up a XD. I've been by stopping by a few in my travels.

Warmly,

Greg]]></description>
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		<cite>choochboost wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>Good to see you here Don, welcome!  I just talked to the author of this thread and he will be checking back in a little later on hopefully.  I'm happy to see you are objective and understand that this is not about dumping on the XD.&nbsp;
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Thanks for the heads up. It's been a very long day.]]></description>
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		<cite>choochboost wrote:</cite><br>
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		<cite>Don wrote:</cite><br>
		<blockquote>Thanks <b>choochboost</b>!
You are on the XD forum as well so maybe you can keep us in sync if there seems so be a serious lapse in replies.  I will pay attention here as long as it seems relevent then fade away as time goes on.&nbsp;
		</blockquote>
Actually, I was hoping to pass the buck to you!   :mrgreen:

I'll see what I can do, I just don't want people asking me too many questions on XD Talk since I'm not the guy who was able to duplicate what happened.&nbsp;
		</blockquote>

If I had any idea this was going to cause such a up roar I would have just said shoot your XD's with a firm grip. If you play with guns enough you can cause problems with most. NO! I'm not going to name anymore brands that I can do things  too. This is one in a very long list.]]></description>
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